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Stephen thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies man of

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course I've got nowhere else to be that

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seems to be a running theme with a lot

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of guests and contributors lately um so

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I'm really happy to have you here when I

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first saw your show over at the New York

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Post I was like this is this is the kind

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of stuff I love I love seeing people

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tackle the topic of UFOs in such a

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serious manner I mean I feel like that

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ridicule factor is shedding and we can

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definitely talk about that but first and

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foremost I I gotta get the origin story

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from how did you first get interested in

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UFOs to begin with yes I was thinking

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about this and I'm on 90s kid so I

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obviously the x-files was like that was

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my thing in the 90s was the x-files but

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if I remember correctly I was actually I

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would go to the library when I was 10 11

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years old and I remember renting crash

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at Corona which is about the Roswell

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crash yep and I remember renting Budd

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Hopkins books which you know but Hopkins

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wrote a series on alien abductions you

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know real cases of people claiming to

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have been abducted by aliens and I

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remember being 10 or 11 and reading

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those books so I think I think it

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started back then Wow yeah I room I

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think crash a Corona was actually the

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first UFO book I got my hands on too at

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the library so there's got to be

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something to that man Thank You Stanton

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Friedman first and foremost um well

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before we even get to the basement

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office which is kind of the focus of the

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interview this web series that you

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created I know you had a UFO sighting

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and if you're willing to talk about it I

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would absolutely love for you to share

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that with our audience it's strikingly

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similar to my own experience so I want

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to hear it from your mouth first before

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I before I say anything but yeah would

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you mind sharing that with us yeah

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totally um

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so this is 2003 I was living in Utah I

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was working I was going to Brigham Young

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University at the time and the LDS

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Church has a film studio Laura couples

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huge sound stages they film

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multi-million dollar movies there I was

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a PA which is basically a grunt coffee

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dinner at the time I'm you know my

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beginning stages and this one particular

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night my job was to guard the door

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outside the soundstage so make sure no

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one comes in while we're filming so it's

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nighttime standing outside of the

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soundstage forever and you know my mind

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was drifting I was you know bored and

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something caught my eye

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and so I looked up and it was a triangle

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like this not not like you know f-117

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sighs but more you know a wider triangle

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and it was going from south to north at

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a relatively slow speed so at first I

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thought balloon maybe a blimp but the

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size of it didn't make sense for a blimp

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there were low clouds that you could see

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the stars through the clouds and they

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were very low and zipping across it's

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high speed and this sucker was under the

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clouds

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so only about a thousand feet up and so

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as my mind is as my mind is processing

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what I'm looking at I I go oh right I

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was at an airshow a couple years ago and

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I saw the b-2s this is that's pretty

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sweet the Hill Air Force Base is right

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down the road it's like b2 and then as

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it got right above me went past it

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didn't make a single sound nothing okay

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nothing and that's when my emotions and

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adrenaline started flowing because I'm

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used to that auditory connection to a

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airplane right my whole life auditory

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connection to an airplane in the sky and

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when my brain didn't receive that

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auditory connection my brain started to

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go haywire a little bit like something's

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wrong something's not right

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and my breathing I remember my heart

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started pounding

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and it disappeared off into the horizon

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and the red light I remember the red

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light above the door went Bing which

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means or went off the red light above

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the door went off which means open the

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door come in you know do the films so I

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kind of like snapped out of it

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I'm still in the days and I went up to

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my assistant director and I said hey I

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think I just saw a UFO and they're like

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yeah whatever and I was like oh really

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I'm being serious I think I just did and

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everybody's in their space I didn't have

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anybody to talk to in that moment

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about my sighting I think I told a

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handful of people you know close to me

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at the time about it but because they

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weren't there they couldn't they didn't

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life until I started the basement office

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where I got to you know talk about it

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with Nick Pope and at that moment when I

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was talking about it with Nick Pope it

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was like all those emotions just kind of

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like came back right yeah it's crazy how

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these things happen so I I do want to

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share full disclosure I had a UFO

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sighting that was almost identical to

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what you're describing triangular

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formation I didn't see a structure like

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a machine or anything I just saw the you

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know this sort of that formation white

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lights and then like that hazy thing in

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the middle sort of like the the Belgian

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wave I guess is something I would

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compare it to um and this was in upstate

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New York in 1995 so I mean this was a

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child of the 90s I was listening to

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Green Day on a discman when I saw and I

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just remember the same thing man I I

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took my headphones off because I saw

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this thing above me and all I could hear

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was like I was off a body of water I was

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fishing and all I could hear was like

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the water hitting the dock and I could

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feet away because I whipped the

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headphones off and no noise whatsoever

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so I don't know what to make of that but

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the way you describe how you felt during

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it and kind of what was going on is so

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similar and I don't know if it's because

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we saw the same thing or this is just a

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human reaction to these things we don't

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know how to process it but yeah man it's

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it was crazy when you when you relate

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that story in your show I was just like

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sitting there glued to it like oh my god

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is he gonna say the same thing like that

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I experienced too so I don't know

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there's got to be something to it

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well yeah let me ask you the object you

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saw what sort of speed would you

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estimate it was moving at super slow I

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mean when I when I first saw it it was

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right above me just floating it wasn't

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moving when I first saw it it was just

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above me I don't know I don't know how

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many feet up or anything like that um

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but I was at a motel and my dad was

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inside I could see him inside so I start

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yelling for him and he actually came out

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and saw the thing with me so I had

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another witness um the funny thing is

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that's when it started moving over the

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water super slow and Canada was right on

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came out and it was coasting over the

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water and headed right towards Canada

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and then disappeared so I don't know man

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HUD I don't know it was just when you

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I had to bring it up because it it

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changed my life as I'm sure it did you

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in ways we were probably still

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discovering yeah yeah crazy you know

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part of my brain as I said in the show

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still wants to believe it was a human

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made you know top-secret black project

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know Hill Air Force space is driving

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distance from my sighting area 51 is

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so I was trying to triangulate you know

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where could this thing could have come

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from so part of my brain still is open

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to the fact that it was you know some

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top-secret human new technology thing

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but it's the it's the science man like

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to keep

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a large structure in the air at slow

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speed or no speed you need an incredible

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amount of energy and that energy makes

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noise right you know and I didn't hear

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that noise and so that means something

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new yes thing that we haven't seen

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before you know that we don't know about

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it means something fantastic that is the

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perfect word for it I I feel the same

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probably man-made because it it just

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seemed that way to me I mean I was 12

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that that insight or that tenacity like

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you did to like go ask if like the Air

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so scared at the time the only person we

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really talked to was the motel owner

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we're like dude what what what's

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happening is this something you guys see

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commonly here or I don't know did you

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did you take a photo of it no no I had

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nothing man nothing yeah but did you

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think in your mind as you're observing

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this oh I must run and grab my camera no

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no I was exactly exactly man in that

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witnesses like you're so in the moment

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petrified so I think that's what kept me

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there more than anything and like those

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things weren't going through my head I

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wanted my dad and that's why that was

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like my first reaction was I wanted a

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parent to come protect me from whatever

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the hell this thing was but that's a

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whole different story but um I I just

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found it fascinated and I knew there had

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to had to be some sort of orange into

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your interest so that's pretty cool well

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definitely want to touch on this with

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you um what inspired you to create the

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basement office I mean was this

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something you'd always been working on

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did the New York Post come to you how

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did this all come to be yeah the New

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searching for you of

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those stories especially lately as you

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know one can assume why you no wonder

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why everyone suddenly interested in UFOs

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maybe we should do a series like a video

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series on UFOs and I'm at work I'm known

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as like the UFO guy like everyone kind

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of knows Oh Steve knows about UFOs go

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ask him and I and so they were like you

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know pitched something so I came up with

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the concept of basically I didn't want

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to do a History Channel travel discovery

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type UFO show works like that you know

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you five a group of citizens look over

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Purdue's like cinematic escapism like

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infotainment I didn't want to like beat

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people over the heads I wanted to just I

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just pictured Mulder's office from the

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x-files yeah sure to desk and me talking

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to experts and analyzing the facts and

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anything that doesn't can't be proven or

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anything that has nothing to back it up

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let's think now it's that and move it to

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the side and let's just focus on what we

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know and what we can prove because

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honestly I think that's the scarier

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stuff not the conspiracy theories but

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the cold hard facts like when you look

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at radar data and police audio or radio

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audio and you know pilot and military

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and government testimony that's the

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stuff where it starts to like blow your

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mind you know so that was like the

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general concept to people at a desk

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talking about the facts about UFOs yeah

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it's the perfect pitch I mean I mean you

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could tell by the amount of views you

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got on the series like this is something

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people want especially since the New

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York Times story broke about this and

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we'll get into that but you did mention

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Nick Pope now this guy is the real-life

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Mulder and he's a hero in the

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quote-unquote UFO field so how did you

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get hipped up with this guy and um yeah

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how did that all come about yes so

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originally I had the idea I had was each

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episode I would have a different co-host

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like each episode would have like a

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guest and we emailed and sent invites

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out to people asking if they were

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interested

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Nik was one of the first ones to respond

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that he was interested hmm

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we flew him out and right off the bat I

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was like wait no he has to stick around

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for all the episodes as he was just he

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was so great like not just on and off

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camera but super smart and like our

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chemistry like you could tell like we

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bounce off each other really well and I

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said no Nik has to be like the co-star

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of the show and he agreed he was like

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great let's do it and so that was like a

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blessing like really like he helped make

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the show what it what it is right and

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for my listeners and viewers who don't

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know this dude was the head of the mo D

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UFO desk so I mean he was who people

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went to to investigate these in terms of

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how the British dealt with this topic

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which is um an interesting correlation

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to how America deals with it as well so

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I mean you picked the right guy in hell

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let's be honest a British accent just

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ups the quality of everything right the

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the elegance in the eloquence I guess is

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the right word totally he adds a refined

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touch right right now I think when you

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first started the series you kind of

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caught up the viewers with what was

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going on so this New York Times story

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breaks about any secret UFO program

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having gone on the public didn't know

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about this so I want to get your initial

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thoughts on this Stephen like when this

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story broke I don't know about you but I

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was like dumbfounded

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I've been studying UFO since I was like

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13 or 14 years old and we all thought

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Project Blue Book was the last time that

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the government was investigating UFOs so

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this comes out of nowhere and like very

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few people knew about it and it just

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exploded so what did you think when this

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story first broke or you like this is it

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we're in disclosure now I distinctly

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remember click like seeing the article

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and then going

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no way and then I read a little bit of

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articles like wait this is the New York

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Times I scrolled back to confirm it was

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the New York Times no way and Politico

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and then CNN and I was just blown away

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that that you know the top media

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companies were covering this not just

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like as a quick one off but like

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extensive articles like well researched

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well interviewed articles that was

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different you know I think and I think

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for those of us like already in the UFO

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world in a way it was more of a big deal

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and I think your average layman was was

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honestly the people I talked to who

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weren't really into it they were like

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wait what you know like say that again

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like yeah yeah you up like the New York

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Times just like blew the lid off the

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Pentagon's UFO program here are three

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videos you can look at and watch and

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people were just like wait what's going

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on you know yeah so in terms of those

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videos that were released as well um we

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got three videos the gimbal the tic tac

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and the always going to go fast yeah

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what's your favorite man I got asked out

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of the three what was like them one you

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found most compelling okay so sue let me

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did two tears so first I believe it's

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the go-fast

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where the thing you can see the water

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underneath it zipping super fast and I

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love hearing the military men you

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hearing their audio as they're observing

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it in the moment and their excitement

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and their adrenaline because these are

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guys that fly for a living these are

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guys that observe fast things every day

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and the fact that these guys are blown

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away by what they're looking at it makes

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it more impactful because if it's

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blowing them away then it must be

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something unique because that's their

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profession you know I'm sure they're

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hard to impress when it comes that

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airplanes you know but that one but the

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story behind the

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the semi boring 2004 tic-tac video

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because honestly the one-minute that's

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been released it's like it's just there

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I mean it's just a blog right right the

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context of that blob the story behind it

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is just incredible like it's uh it's

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still hard for me to wrap my brain

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around that you know the true story

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behind it that is such a good point I

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think this is where witness testimony is

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so important we could have a million

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videos of things hanging in the sky or

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whatnot but until we have context for

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what actually happened I think that's

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where the meat of it is you know we did

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get these videos which yeah like you

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said the tic-tac one is pretty

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anticlimactic until you know it shoots

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off right at the end but how long are

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these videos I don't think anyone in the

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public has that knowledge yet of what

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are we not seeing in the videos that was

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caught so in Episode one of season two

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the new the new season that of the

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basement office we interview witnesses

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who were in the room and watched the raw

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footage of the tic-tac video as it was

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happening and they estimate anywhere

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between eight and twelve minutes so

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while there's one minute released online

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there's actually like nine 10 minutes

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after that that hasn't been released and

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you know we know we learned in the last

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few months the Navy admitted that they

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have classified slides briefing slides

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on the tic-tac

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and they also said we have a classified

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video of the tic-tac so one has to

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assume you know connect the dots they

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have a longer video someone's got it

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well hopefully we'll we'll get to see

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that someday if not we're it's amazing

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that we're still talking about the same

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damn video like almost three years later

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no but that's how these things work we

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we just will take what we can get and I

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know in your first episode as well you

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talk about the best evidence that's out

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there you know you covered the Trent

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photos the Brazil cases you covered the

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Chicago O'Hare which is the case a lot

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of people don't talk

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that often which has blows my mind it's

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one of the best ones out there so did

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any other cases really stick out to you

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as being like wow this is a smoking gun

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that I think kind of faded into

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obscurity I guess well you bring up

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Chicago and I am still amazed at that

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case because it's one thing to say it's

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one thing for one person to say oh I saw

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a flying saucer above the airport right

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but when you've got pilots flight

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attendants air you know Airport crewmen

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seeing this in reporting the same thing

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a disc hovering above highly controlled

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highly sensitive airspace you have to

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start wondering what the heck were they

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looking at and that's those are the

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cases that that I gravitate towards

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where there's FAA tapes FAA transcripts

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you know pilot audio the cases that we

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come from the basement office where you

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hear the pilots in the cockpit observing

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UFOs and in one case the pilot calls it

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a UFO and these things are zipping like

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over their plane they're almost ducking

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in the cockpit as to sing zips over and

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it's like is this is this where we're at

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where we just kind of have to hope you

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know something doesn't hit your plane I

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mean it you learn this is these aren't

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isolated cases the cases of UFOs

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unidentified flying objects breaking

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into sensitive airspace flight under

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above in front of our pilots the you

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know the Navy just called it a safety

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hazard

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the Navy within the Joe grata sure with

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the Navy who've recently just called all

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you know a safety hazard okay so what

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are you doing about it man that was such

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a good point Stephen I mean they ate it

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the secret Pentagon program there

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they're sort of investigation was all

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based on a national security threat like

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are these UFOs a threat to us and I

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think you're right when they're zipping

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past the pilots or they don't know

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what to do about them do I fire at this

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thing do I do I leave like what do I do

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um the threat almost seems more from us

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in terms of look look at cases like the

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Tehran incident of 1976 a pilot almost

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died

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trying to shoot at a UFO and there are

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other cases where this has happened

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where pilots have died trying to chase

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an unidentified flying object so I do

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wonder it's the threat more with how we

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respond to these things and that there

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is no protocol for it you know yeah and

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I and I start off by saying to a lot of

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folks I'm not here to convince you that

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what this pilot saw that zipped over his

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plane is an alien I'm here to convince

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you that he saw something unidentified

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neither he the FAA the military the

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people who are supposed to know don't

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know that's all I want to convince you

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and that that's a problem no yeah that

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are supposed to protect American

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airspace keep it safe keep it clear of

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hostile or foreign or unidentified

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objects a lot slipping through this

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through their fingers right now yeah

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that's such a good point

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I mean and you covered so many cases and

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you you you had audio in there that I'd

532
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never heard before some of them really

533
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really eerie to hear and another one of

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the things you talk about in the show

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you should video you had audio from the

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base commander this was the Rendlesham

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forest incident like the mother lode of

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its Britain's Roswell basically now had

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you known about this case prior to

540
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:09,540
covering it with Nick on the show I had

541
00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:12,570
not known the deep nitty-gritty details

542
00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:15,420
I knew it was Air Force I know it was a

543
00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:19,020
triangle that they had seen basically so

544
00:24:24,170 --> 00:24:21,300
I know Colonel halts I knew Colonel Holt

545
00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:24,180
story peniston's story I wasn't I hadn't

546
00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:27,150
really heard about I knew like the the

547
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:28,830
brass tacks of what happened in

548
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,220
Rendlesham but nah not the other stuff

549
00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:34,500
yeah well I definitely want to touch on

550
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:35,790
that other stuff with you I'm

551
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:39,570
so we have a case 1980 UFO scene over to

552
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,510
joint military bases now we've come to

553
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,240
learn from the base commander that

554
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,860
nuclear weapons were being housed on the

555
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,200
base without Britain's knowledge and the

556
00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:52,320
UFO is affected the nuclear or it's just

557
00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:54,420
it's insane it's the same about

558
00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:55,560
everything that happened with this case

559
00:25:00,200 --> 00:24:57,660
um but one thing you covered in your

560
00:25:02,780 --> 00:25:00,210
show which is one of the big game

561
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:02,790
changers I think in this case is the

562
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,690
effects on the officers who saw this who

563
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:09,360
experienced it and we're talking to the

564
00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:12,410
Jon Burroughs story no this guy had

565
00:25:21,050 --> 00:25:16,040
physical ailments occur after this right

566
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,060
yes so oh my gosh this blew me away you

567
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:23,640
could actually see my response in the

568
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:27,510
episode that because of their

569
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:31,740
interaction proximity to the object that

570
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,080
they saw they claimed that they received

571
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:38,520
you know physical ailments from that

572
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:41,970
radiation whatever it may be they they

573
00:25:48,530 --> 00:25:45,390
were exposed to something now that may

574
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:48,540
sound like science fiction but when

575
00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:51,000
medical records come up

576
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:54,780
US senators get involved health

577
00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:57,290
insurance companies get involved and

578
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:00,330
when you're able to read with your own

579
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,960
eyes yes they did you know receive trace

580
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:09,360
amounts of radiation from this object

581
00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:11,930
and yes we are going to cover your

582
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:15,320
healthcare costs because of that I

583
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:17,790
couldn't believe that like I couldn't

584
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:20,390
believe that there was a official

585
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:23,250
acknowledgment of their interaction of

586
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:24,990
the military's interaction with a UFO

587
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:28,650
and because of that Air Force officers

588
00:26:36,650 --> 00:26:32,310
were hurt because of that and you're

589
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,660
just like okay so that's that's pretty

590
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,080
solid proof you know like you think they

591
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:42,000
didn't even they didn't even work around

592
00:26:45,650 --> 00:26:43,650
like okay let's put something else in

593
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:45,660
writing like okay in the line of duty

594
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:48,330
yeah or something like that like it was

595
00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:49,590
like

596
00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:51,390
because of your encounter at Rendlesham

597
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,789
in 1980 like yeah like we acknowledge

598
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:55,799
this happened to you and that you did

599
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:57,450
get this ailment and we're gonna help

600
00:27:02,539 --> 00:26:59,490
you pay for it Wow

601
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:02,549
it's crazy man well you you talk about

602
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:04,590
proof no there's another key player in

603
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:08,130
this case Jim Penniston who was with

604
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:09,659
John Burroughs during one of these

605
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,840
events and this is where things get a

606
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:14,880
little murky I think for a lot of people

607
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:18,090
who use this case to depend on in terms

608
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:21,150
of documentation how many people were

609
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,460
involved we have so many officers who

610
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:24,840
have come forward to say that they

611
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:28,169
experienced this um Jim Penniston he

612
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:33,600
says that he touched the craft a code of

613
00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:35,730
some sort was downloaded into his brain

614
00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:38,340
and he's trying to decipher this now

615
00:27:44,060 --> 00:27:40,230
this is where it gets really science

616
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:44,070
fictiony for me at least I I struggle

617
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:45,690
with this one man so I'd love to hear

618
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:47,970
what do you think about you go from John

619
00:27:52,639 --> 00:27:49,950
Burroughs senators fighting to get him

620
00:27:56,779 --> 00:27:52,649
health coverage for a life-threatening

621
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,789
element to someone saying they now have

622
00:28:00,889 --> 00:27:58,559
a binary code downloaded into their

623
00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:00,899
brain so what do you make of this

624
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:03,630
juxtaposition there with this case yeah

625
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:07,289
okay so if you notice in the basement

626
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:10,409
office we had burrows in hope like in

627
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:11,970
their own episode and then we had a

628
00:28:16,639 --> 00:28:14,880
whole episode dedicated to Penniston and

629
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:16,649
we started that episode with a

630
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,230
disclaimer of like look there is

631
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,840
basically no hard evidence to like

632
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:23,730
support this story like we can't show

633
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:25,860
you a document a photo video audio

634
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:28,470
anything to prove that what he's saying

635
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:33,090
is real other than the fact that yes he

636
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:38,130
was there he was there we know that yes

637
00:28:42,019 --> 00:28:39,720
you know we have the document of the

638
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:42,029
statement he gave you know like that

639
00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:46,529
happened but I was good we were gonna

640
00:28:50,899 --> 00:28:48,630
let him tell his story you know because

641
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:50,909
he was there he it's documented he saw

642
00:28:55,639 --> 00:28:53,940
something we've got to credible

643
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:55,649
witnesses that you know we're in the

644
00:29:00,020 --> 00:28:57,510
same place so let's LEM tell start but

645
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,030
beyond that it's a great story but one

646
00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:02,240
you can't prove

647
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:04,280
but one you shouldn't like shut out

648
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:06,530
either like you you you want to be

649
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:08,990
sensitive you know and be like you know

650
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:10,790
tell me your story

651
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,410
you don't want to like cut off people

652
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:14,480
because like Oh show me photo you know

653
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:15,830
because I don't have a photo of my

654
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:18,440
sighting you know like I don't have

655
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:21,050
physical proof to prove to you that I

656
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,450
actually saw what I saw but I know I did

657
00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:25,730
but I still want to tell my story and so

658
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:27,560
Penniston you know okay let's hear your

659
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:31,610
story and I struggle with it as well I

660
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:34,490
mean it would make a great movie that's

661
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,890
true and I think we I think there's a

662
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:39,440
television series about Rendell shown

663
00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:41,570
with like Laurence Fishburne connected

664
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:43,550
or something I don't know if it's still

665
00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:47,630
happening but this was like pre Co vid

666
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:50,060
19 and everything so God knows if we're

667
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:51,830
ever gonna see this project come to

668
00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:55,190
fruition but yeah just say this about

669
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,100
Rendlesham he he claims he touched this

670
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:02,080
craft he saw a flash of light and then

671
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:04,610
images in what he claims actually later

672
00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:07,580
on at his home these images started

673
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:09,470
playing almost like a hologram in front

674
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:11,690
of his eyes and he wrote these images

675
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:12,890
down now

676
00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:16,730
that sounds like a movie on the sci-fi

677
00:30:21,910 --> 00:30:19,640
channel but I start to think about art

678
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:21,920
to observe them like this any technology

679
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,500
exists today that we can see where

680
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,240
something can be beamed into the human

681
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:30,080
brain and it turns out there is that the

682
00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:33,590
military has a audio wave it's basically

683
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:37,540
like a gun this is real that making beam

684
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:40,370
audio or voices to your head

685
00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:43,130
it's a if you google this this exists

686
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:45,470
the patent exists the millet it's out

687
00:30:50,110 --> 00:30:48,290
there there's a rain invisible like

688
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:50,120
Raygun or set it's actually looks like a

689
00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:52,220
satellite dish and they can beam audio

690
00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:54,920
so where you adhere it in your in your

691
00:31:00,880 --> 00:30:57,950
head and so I'm like okay I'm looking at

692
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:00,890
a patent I'm looking at the report that

693
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:03,350
this exists this exists okay so

694
00:31:08,530 --> 00:31:05,240
technology to beam something into

695
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:08,540
someone's head exists okay so I in that

696
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:12,320
sense his story becomes a little bit

697
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:15,830
less crazy in that technology to do that

698
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:19,340
in an infant stage exists that's a good

699
00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:23,140
point man I mean until it's every

700
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:26,269
physicist or scientist who come out with

701
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,750
these wacky theories they're crazy until

702
00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:31,519
it's proven real and I think that's the

703
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:33,080
kind of world we live in now where a lot

704
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:35,779
of these things we thought would never

705
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:38,330
happen are happening and they've been

706
00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:40,909
happening for a while so I I agree with

707
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:42,649
you you know Rendlesham remains one of

708
00:31:47,169 --> 00:31:44,529
the most credible UFO cases out there

709
00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:47,179
all the witnesses most of them are still

710
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:49,669
alive that we can talk to which makes it

711
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:51,529
different you know from the Roswell 's

712
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:54,769
and stuff like that so yes yeah yeah I

713
00:32:01,090 --> 00:31:58,220
just want to say like the Rendlesham has

714
00:32:05,769 --> 00:32:01,100
been attacked for being a hoax a prank

715
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:05,779
etc and I get that as a possibility as a

716
00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:09,279
yeah as a possibility but Colonel halt

717
00:32:18,779 --> 00:32:15,500
halt I just I found him credible we have

718
00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:18,789
the evidence of the audio of him out

719
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,500
investigating and there's no way around

720
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:24,320
the fact that that sounds legit you know

721
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:26,809
so you have to be open to the

722
00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:28,570
possibility that it could be a hoax

723
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:32,389
embellished exaggerated but the evidence

724
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:35,510
that exists the radiation like it's

725
00:32:40,899 --> 00:32:38,230
something happened in those woods man

726
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:40,909
you know I'm with you on that I think

727
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:42,590
right now I'm actually gonna I'm gonna

728
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:44,990
play a little bit of that audio for the

729
00:32:52,649 --> 00:32:47,809
audience to hear it's so eerie so yeah

730
00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:52,659
I'm gonna play that right now like

731
00:32:59,980 --> 00:32:55,940
flashes to the I was Braddock but

732
00:33:03,879 --> 00:32:59,990
especially something there Oklahoma 205

733
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:03,889
it about 10 degrees horizon directly

734
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:11,610
that's right with God lights autumn but

735
00:33:20,049 --> 00:33:16,240
must be about editable are they less

736
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:20,059
full circles all those addy left be

737
00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:24,590
clips or something therefore negative 15

738
00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:26,750
we've got an object categories directly

739
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:29,480
saw tell these optimized at left then

740
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:31,340
what's an order movement what's moving

741
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:42,200
away from us he comes from the side he's

742
00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:53,960
coming toward us now 30 and the object

743
00:33:56,830 --> 00:33:55,669
is doing the sky over one that side

744
00:33:59,800 --> 00:33:56,840
looks like there's a little bit of

745
00:34:04,110 --> 00:33:59,810
altitude we're gonna get that daughter

746
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:16,589
likes to 10 degrees off paralyze static

747
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:20,349
so that that audio is pretty freaky um

748
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:22,520
but I want to move on to some more

749
00:34:26,829 --> 00:34:25,010
recent videos actually with you Steven

750
00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:26,839
know this is what you brought to me that

751
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:29,480
I had never seen before so I feel like

752
00:34:34,899 --> 00:34:32,990
I'm failing as a quote-unquote ufologist

753
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:34,909
but yeah tell us a little about this

754
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:38,210
case out of Utah that you found okay so

755
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:41,089
there's this drunk footage I believe out

756
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:43,399
of Beaver Utah from a few years back

757
00:34:49,419 --> 00:34:46,750
from a like video film company they were

758
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:49,429
from what I understand testing a new

759
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:51,649
drone or shooting footage of their drone

760
00:34:56,619 --> 00:34:54,230
of like landscapes and stuff and they

761
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:56,629
were out in the in the plains near the

762
00:35:01,329 --> 00:34:58,750
mountain ranges in Beaver Utah and

763
00:35:03,490 --> 00:35:01,339
filmed a bunch of stuff they come back

764
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:03,500
weeks later they're going through the

765
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:05,560
footage and they see something zipped by

766
00:35:09,339 --> 00:35:08,630
the camera and they're like wait was

767
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:09,349
that a burger

768
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:11,240
what was that they play back and they

769
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:12,770
keep playing it back and looking at it

770
00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:14,510
and it gets weirder every time they look

771
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:18,260
at it and so they posted the clip you

772
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:20,540
know and people including

773
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,820
myself really started looking at it you

774
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:25,280
know frame-by-frame what is this a bird

775
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:28,130
was this a bug yeah okay yeah it was a

776
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:29,750
bird it looks like a seagull something

777
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:31,100
like that but then you watch it again

778
00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:32,660
you're like wait is that coming out of

779
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:34,820
from behind the mountain it looks like

780
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:36,920
it comes down through the valley and

781
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:39,920
then turns and zips past the camera and

782
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:44,480
you keep watching you yeah and then some

783
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:47,750
in like crazy people and I give it like

784
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:49,910
hats off to him they went through and

785
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:53,960
analyzed distance sighs so they went

786
00:35:59,170 --> 00:35:55,910
through they found the exact location of

787
00:36:01,900 --> 00:35:59,180
where this was the size of the trees the

788
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:01,910
size of the distance between the drone

789
00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:03,470
in the tree and you can watch these

790
00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:05,000
videos online where they've drawn lines

791
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:07,400
this equals 25 feet this equals this

792
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:09,800
much the height of the mountain we know

793
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:11,810
this mountain is this high so and they

794
00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:14,750
triangulate you know speed height and

795
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:17,630
distance into this huge mathematical

796
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:21,050
thing and when that's when the math and

797
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,510
the science is placed on screen this

798
00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:26,720
sucker you know a bird or bug that

799
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:29,540
suddenly goes away and you're like okay

800
00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:32,450
the size does change you know it gets

801
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:35,540
bigger as it approaches okay so what

802
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:37,220
what size does it change we can estimate

803
00:36:44,530 --> 00:36:40,370
its speed now and wow it's like moving

804
00:36:46,030 --> 00:36:44,540
it like Mach 8 Mach 9 so what is this

805
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:46,040
thing when you really look at this thing

806
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:47,630
man I it looks

807
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:51,590
TAC yeah in my view it looks like a

808
00:37:01,390 --> 00:36:56,810
white Little Pill moving and okay so is

809
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:01,400
it CGI is some random video film company

810
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,490
that shoots drone foot it professionally

811
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:06,800
did they decide we need some viral

812
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:12,890
attention let's put in a UFO why would

813
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:14,570
you I don't know why would you put

814
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:15,890
something in that at first looks like a

815
00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:18,740
bird or a bug that is it immediately

816
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:22,820
like whoa you know so it's it's subtle

817
00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:26,690
so I'm open to that because a lot of CGI

818
00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:29,300
crap exists out there almost every day I

819
00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:31,580
see a new CGI UFO and Twitter I'm like

820
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:33,950
oh god damn it you know like

821
00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:37,070
stop this you know it's just marking the

822
00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:39,560
waters but this case fascinates me

823
00:37:46,990 --> 00:37:43,579
because the witness is the the source is

824
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:47,000
they seem legit the science behind it

825
00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:51,650
seems legit and the speed when you zoom

826
00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:54,349
in you're able to it's in Super HD this

827
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,300
footage when you zoom in when it comes

828
00:38:04,300 --> 00:37:59,680
out of the mountain range you can see it

829
00:38:05,859 --> 00:38:04,310
pivot it pivots and then zips and it

830
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:05,869
matches when you listen to the

831
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:07,849
eyewitness testimony of the nimitz

832
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:11,810
encounter and how that object was you

833
00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:13,609
know how it was moving and the speed at

834
00:38:17,859 --> 00:38:15,859
which it would move incredible speeds

835
00:38:18,970 --> 00:38:17,869
and the way would pivot and turn and and

836
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:18,980
zip

837
00:38:24,339 --> 00:38:21,230
I just kept connecting those two and

838
00:38:27,329 --> 00:38:24,349
that's that's what I see in in that

839
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,339
footage which i think is went mostly

840
00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:30,320
underreported because of just how subtle

841
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:31,880
it is and how you can dismiss it but

842
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,369
there is a video and if you can find it

843
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:37,040
just to show a clip of how they've put

844
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:39,890
the the math and science of distance and

845
00:38:43,809 --> 00:38:41,930
speed up everything that you're looking

846
00:38:46,270 --> 00:38:43,819
at and there's no way to deny that that

847
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:46,280
sucker isn't something flying in front

848
00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:50,150
of the lens like this it's size changes

849
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:54,260
as it approaches and that's like amazing

850
00:38:59,380 --> 00:38:57,200
to me with that footage I when you

851
00:39:02,170 --> 00:38:59,390
brought it to me I was really you know

852
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:02,180
I'm always you know hesitant about UFO

853
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:04,730
videos but when I saw it my initial

854
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:07,730
reaction was like it's a buck it's a

855
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,650
buck but then I did exactly what you

856
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:12,800
said and I went back and did it frame by

857
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:15,170
frame and you can literally see this

858
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:16,760
thing coming from like behind the

859
00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:19,430
mountain range which is crazy I'm

860
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:20,900
actually I'll play the video right now

861
00:39:26,589 --> 00:39:23,000
so people they have some context for

862
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:26,599
this and get their get their thoughts on

863
00:39:34,059 --> 00:39:27,890
it too so yeah well let's play that

864
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:34,069
right now we'll do that awesome yeah so

865
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:35,089
that one man I

866
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:37,310
I'm so happy you brought it to me I I

867
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,280
hope people will look into it more and

868
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:42,200
the fact that these guys who shot the

869
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:44,900
drone footage came forward with this and

870
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:47,930
said no like this wasn't

871
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:50,089
this wasn't like a bug bird we see the

872
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,410
[\h__\h] all the time

873
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:53,599
so like that's enough for me to be like

874
00:39:58,029 --> 00:39:54,770
there's something to this

875
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:58,039
yeah totally 100% well underreported was

876
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:58,880
a good way to put it

877
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:01,490
now this next one for me is the most

878
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:04,730
underreported UFO video today I mean

879
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:07,190
this thing blows the tic-tac that go

880
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:09,140
fast out of the water in my personal

881
00:40:14,349 --> 00:40:12,140
opinion and I'm just gonna read it here

882
00:40:17,529 --> 00:40:14,359
because it's a little convoluted but

883
00:40:21,279 --> 00:40:17,539
this came from supposedly came from a

884
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:21,289
homeland security video the object in

885
00:40:26,829 --> 00:40:22,970
the video it was captured on thermal

886
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,839
imaging hey let's see what else this

887
00:40:31,299 --> 00:40:28,400
happened at the Raphael Hernandez

888
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:31,309
Airport in Aguadilla Puerto Rico of all

889
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:36,049
places so yeah man this one is what do

890
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,430
you make of it have you heard about this

891
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:39,920
case before yeah what do you what do you

892
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:43,520
think okay so I had heard about it I had

893
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:47,240
seen what I thought was the full video

894
00:40:51,539 --> 00:40:49,190
but I apparently just saw a clip before

895
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:51,549
I didn't know the nitty-gritty details

896
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:53,809
but let me just walk you through this

897
00:41:02,440 --> 00:40:56,510
video okay

898
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:02,450
the thing that shocking is it apparently

899
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,089
breaks airspace over the Raphael

900
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:07,760
Hernandez Airport you know which is you

901
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:11,170
know run by the FAA you know that's it

902
00:41:17,859 --> 00:41:15,010
it so it it flies over an official

903
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,869
airport you've know Raphael Hernandez

904
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:20,240
Airport and because it breaks through

905
00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:22,940
the airspace is not responding to radio

906
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,579
doesn't have a transponder planes on the

907
00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:27,920
ground are delayed the airport shuts

908
00:41:31,569 --> 00:41:30,950
down because there something's in our

909
00:41:34,510 --> 00:41:31,579
airspace

910
00:41:37,299 --> 00:41:34,520
it's not responding to radio I mean

911
00:41:40,089 --> 00:41:37,309
that's that's creepy and that's scary

912
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:40,099
and that's dangerous it leaves the

913
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:42,200
Raphael Hernandez airspace apparently at

914
00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:44,150
this point we have a Department of

915
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:47,180
Homeland Security Border Protection

916
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:52,520
plane filming it move and the part that

917
00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:54,890
I didn't know about this video that you

918
00:42:01,099 --> 00:41:57,470
can clearly see at the end is that this

919
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:01,109
sucker goes into the ocean

920
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:05,770
and I was like no way does this happen

921
00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:07,990
and then and then he comes back out

922
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:10,780
comes back up I'm sorry to steal your

923
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:12,609
thunder there man I got too excited it

924
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,140
comes back up and like oh my god so that

925
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:19,930
it becomes a USO you know unidentified

926
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:23,650
submerged object at that point and you

927
00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:27,430
know that's but that's crazy now you

928
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:31,300
have to think okay maybe it's a you know

929
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:35,260
top-secret military experimental drone

930
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:38,500
or you know flying torpedo we know these

931
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:41,470
things exist maybe the Navy is is

932
00:42:46,070 --> 00:42:43,420
experimenting because they're open about

933
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:46,080
doing this anyway trans medium

934
00:42:50,099 --> 00:42:48,460
transportation you know dating back to

935
00:42:52,829 --> 00:42:50,109
the 40s you read news reports about the

936
00:42:54,859 --> 00:42:52,839
Navy wanting a flying submarine so could

937
00:42:59,490 --> 00:42:54,869
it be you know something like that

938
00:43:03,440 --> 00:42:59,500
sure but why is the military endangering

939
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:03,450
their own you know airspace of you know

940
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:07,119
commercial and you know public airliners

941
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:09,190
like I could see them experimenting but

942
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:11,950
why are you causing such a hassle and

943
00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:15,490
safety hazard for your own citizens you

944
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:17,020
know in the in the process there's a

945
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,910
better safer way to do it that could

946
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:20,800
avoid you know planes that are full of

947
00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:25,089
150 people you know so you gotta like

948
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:27,460
juggle that also you have to be open to

949
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:29,290
the fact that the video is completely

950
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:33,700
fake I lean towards it's not it seems to

951
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:36,040
have all the hallmarks legitimacy the I

952
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:41,950
mean this is a 151 there is you can read

953
00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:44,339
it online and you send it to me there's

954
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:52,270
159 page analysis [\h__\h] of the of the art

955
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:54,130
here itself and like they go through

956
00:43:58,740 --> 00:43:56,830
there are here acknowledgments there are

957
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:58,750
letters here FOIA letter to the

958
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Department of the Air Force there

959
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:03,130
there's documentation here that you know

960
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:07,359
the video is real the object itself is

961
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:09,940
estimated to actually not be that large

962
00:44:17,249 --> 00:44:14,140
five feet maybe seven feet this

963
00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:17,259
of this object is also caught my eye is

964
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:20,190
not very fast 80 to 100 miles an hour

965
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,140
okay when it strikes the water it's

966
00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:25,599
estimated to hit the water at 110 miles

967
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:31,180
an hour now anything if you hit with it

968
00:44:35,759 --> 00:44:33,369
if you're in your car you know your

969
00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:35,769
Prius you're driving along and you hit a

970
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:39,160
body of water at 109 miles an hour it's

971
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:41,170
gonna mess your car up like it's

972
00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:42,660
essentially like hitting a wall

973
00:44:47,759 --> 00:44:44,559
essentially I mean things are gonna

974
00:44:49,979 --> 00:44:47,769
break fly off debris but the fact that

975
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:49,989
this thing is observed hitting the water

976
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:53,470
at 109 miles an hour and then bloop like

977
00:45:00,059 --> 00:44:55,450
coming back and being cool and like

978
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,069
moving and still functioning that's okay

979
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:02,319
that's interesting you know like we

980
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:04,329
don't something you see every day

981
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:06,430
yeah that's such a good point man and

982
00:45:11,489 --> 00:45:09,130
even at the end of the video we see that

983
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:11,499
when it comes out of the water it either

984
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:14,470
breaks into two objects or it meets up

985
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:17,950
with something else which is like I just

986
00:45:23,849 --> 00:45:20,170
this I I don't understand how this video

987
00:45:26,609 --> 00:45:23,859
could not be bigger than it is I don't

988
00:45:29,069 --> 00:45:26,619
know it's just it faded it faded and I

989
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:29,079
don't know how that could happen yeah

990
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:31,690
you see it looks like it kind of goes

991
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:33,970
like this and then either end to

992
00:45:40,229 --> 00:45:38,079
functioning moving interacting parts now

993
00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:40,239
in the report that I just brought up

994
00:45:44,009 --> 00:45:42,369
they they may offer the possible

995
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:44,019
explanation that what we're seeing is a

996
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:46,329
heat register or reflection off the

997
00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:48,910
water because it's so close to the water

998
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,799
it's the heat register is reflect

999
00:45:55,319 --> 00:45:52,960
reflect reflecting through the infrared

1000
00:45:58,589 --> 00:45:55,329
camera so we're a it's a it's a mirage

1001
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,599
of two images but they're not able to

1002
00:46:02,579 --> 00:46:00,640
prove that that's exactly what we're

1003
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,589
seeing so the possibilities open that

1004
00:46:08,549 --> 00:46:04,720
either it meets up with a second object

1005
00:46:14,779 --> 00:46:08,559
or it actually splits into two two

1006
00:46:17,609 --> 00:46:14,789
objects now alone this case with what is

1007
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:17,619
confusing but when you look at other

1008
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:20,170
cases the Nimitz included where they

1009
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,119
observed a USO on top of a UFO and you

1010
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:27,760
look at other cases of

1011
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:31,170
of UFOs flying near bodies of water

1012
00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:35,140
above bodies of water or into bodies of

1013
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:37,600
water there are a lot of them and it

1014
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:40,330
seems to mimic what we're seeing in this

1015
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:43,660
video supposedly from the government in

1016
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,700
season two of the basement office we

1017
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,300
have a whole episode dedicated to us oh

1018
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:51,280
cool so you're you're tackling that you

1019
00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:53,140
have to I mean this is such an

1020
00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:56,920
underreported part of ufology or UFO

1021
00:47:01,440 --> 00:46:59,020
history that doesn't get covered often

1022
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:01,450
there's maybe one or two books on it but

1023
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:03,880
these reports are almost more astounding

1024
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,310
I mean I can think of the shag harbour

1025
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:09,280
incident being one my UFO incident

1026
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:12,250
happened over a body of water I yeah its

1027
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:14,680
more common than I think people think it

1028
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,230
bloom you know so in season in episode 2

1029
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:19,359
season 1 which is about flying saucers

1030
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:21,850
Nick blew my mind because we're we were

1031
00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:25,359
analyzing the Brazilian Navy saucers and

1032
00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:28,300
he said hey just so you know this isn't

1033
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:31,720
like isolated like UFOs seen above or in

1034
00:47:35,099 --> 00:47:33,970
bodies of water they're called you SOS

1035
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:35,109
and it's like a thing and I was like

1036
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:38,680
wait what yeah just are in the water now

1037
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:41,530
and the more I read about it I was like

1038
00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:43,750
holy crap like water is playing a key

1039
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:46,180
role it seems in a lot of sightings I

1040
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:48,790
don't know what that is but it does yeah

1041
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:52,030
and it's bare its it's worth looking at

1042
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:55,150
I think it's a very I think important

1043
00:47:59,570 --> 00:47:56,650
part of all this that a lot of people

1044
00:48:01,859 --> 00:47:59,580
don't understand and you did mention the

1045
00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:01,869
tic-tac event no we have commander

1046
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:04,780
flavor the pilot who first went up and

1047
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:07,930
intercepted this object saying there was

1048
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:10,570
something in the water 50 times bigger

1049
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:13,510
than the tic-tac that he saw and the

1050
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:17,440
water below was like bubbling something

1051
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:20,410
was going on it was the the water where

1052
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:22,030
the thing was under the water and

1053
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:24,310
according to this official Navy pilot

1054
00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:26,730
testimony the top of the water was

1055
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:30,040
disturbed it was being disturbed and you

1056
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:33,250
know almost white froth and one of the

1057
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:37,570
smaller tic tacs was hovering zipping

1058
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:40,630
above directly above this unidentified

1059
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:41,590
summer

1060
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:45,100
object yeah so what what is that you

1061
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,980
know I mean was it controlling the

1062
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,800
tic-tac we also know that there was more

1063
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:52,720
than one tic-tac again we're seeing such

1064
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:55,510
a condensed small version of the video

1065
00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:57,730
where the radar operators are saying

1066
00:49:04,640 --> 00:48:59,230
they were tracking tons of these things

1067
00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:04,650
yeah yeah yeah they were a lot of radar

1068
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:07,360
registries were happening of multiple

1069
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:09,490
objects now you know I'm open to the

1070
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:12,250
possibility that what happened in 2004

1071
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:16,570
was a top-secret exercise where

1072
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:19,840
unbeknownst to the Navy they were kept

1073
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:20,500
in the dark

1074
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:23,290
hey let's send in our new awesome [\h__\h]

1075
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:25,570
and let's see how our current modern

1076
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:28,270
pilots react to it let's see if we can

1077
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:29,950
evade radar let's see if we can evade

1078
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:31,890
flight patterns let's see how you know

1079
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:35,200
and a potential enemy modern fighter

1080
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,510
unit would react to our new special

1081
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:40,480
awesome thing and keep these guys in the

1082
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:41,290
dark about it

1083
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:43,750
because so they can we can observe them

1084
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:44,740
react in real-time

1085
00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:47,110
you know you know maybe that maybe it

1086
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:51,820
was that kind of of thing but you know

1087
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:54,970
when you've got astrophysicists and and

1088
00:49:59,490 --> 00:49:57,880
you know top minds analyzing the

1089
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,500
tic-tacs and saying these suckers are

1090
00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:01,560
moving at speeds that no human could

1091
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:05,230
survive in then you guys are coming like

1092
00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:10,600
okay what's then what what well and my

1093
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:13,600
only argument to that steven is i've had

1094
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:16,420
the actual radar operator tell me he'll

1095
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:18,280
know another branch of the military

1096
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:20,470
isn't going to test something in our

1097
00:50:25,530 --> 00:50:22,990
airspace during training exercises that

1098
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:25,540
would be preposterous it would be so

1099
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:26,230
dangerous

1100
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:28,210
I understand like the element of

1101
00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:30,970
surprise and not knowing would be the

1102
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,190
best way to test these pilots and the

1103
00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:36,160
Navy overall like send it in and see how

1104
00:50:41,490 --> 00:50:38,500
they react to these things but again we

1105
00:50:44,610 --> 00:50:41,500
go back to that is a huge threat to our

1106
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:44,620
pilots even if it was a test d do we

1107
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:46,210
think that they would put the pilots in

1108
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:48,970
harm's way just to see how they would

1109
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:50,590
react to something like this I don't

1110
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:51,940
know maybe they would maybe they

1111
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:55,230
wouldn't I don't know yeah there is a

1112
00:51:02,220 --> 00:50:58,740
testimony that one of the tic tacs was

1113
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:02,230
approaching approaching one of the f-18s

1114
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:05,070
and the pilot was saying it's engaging

1115
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,200
its engaging me like basically this

1116
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:10,660
thing is engaging me as a threat

1117
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:13,720
that's not something to take lightly man

1118
00:51:18,570 --> 00:51:15,970
like this is our military these are our

1119
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:18,580
men and women in uniform who put their

1120
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:20,710
lives on the line and when they feel

1121
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:23,830
like something is engaging them then

1122
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,470
that's serious business you know like we

1123
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,240
need to take it seriously we can't just

1124
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:30,160
dismiss it as like okay that was just

1125
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:34,090
you know a seagull exactly exactly I

1126
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:35,710
couldn't agree with you more man well in

1127
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:38,530
terms of this new age we live in with

1128
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,250
UFOs now we have Tom DeLonge to the

1129
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:44,800
stars Academy working with the former a

1130
00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:47,470
tip director on looking at this stuff

1131
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:49,360
and it has it's gone mainstream like

1132
00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:50,080
never before

1133
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,840
um disclosure I'd love to get your

1134
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:54,640
thoughts on this do you think that's a

1135
00:52:01,530 --> 00:51:57,490
thing will the government ever admit

1136
00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:01,540
that UFOs exist um will they ever come

1137
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:03,220
forward and say what they know about it

1138
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:04,870
what do you think on this this word

1139
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,550
disclosure okay for um okay I think the

1140
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:12,000
government and military have already

1141
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:16,180
admitted UFOs are real I mean by

1142
00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:18,790
definition when you've got the

1143
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:21,580
Department of the Navy saying what

1144
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:23,730
you're seeing in these videos is

1145
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:26,620
unidentified aerial phenomenon

1146
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:29,410
wait there they're releasing statements

1147
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:33,040
saying these are UFOs and now they're

1148
00:52:36,590 --> 00:52:34,840
not saying these are aliens yeah you

1149
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:36,600
know they're not they're not saying

1150
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:39,430
extraterrestrial biological entities or

1151
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:41,620
flying these things they're they're

1152
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:44,110
saying these are UFOs were the military

1153
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:48,220
and we don't know so I think that's

1154
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:51,130
happened disclosure now I know I think

1155
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:54,040
what you're getting at is that we some

1156
00:53:00,750 --> 00:52:57,690
people think or opine that we are in a

1157
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:00,760
time where the government and the

1158
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:02,620
military and the people that were in the

1159
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:04,900
shadows are finally sick dropping the

1160
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:06,280
curtain a little bit and saying like

1161
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:08,020
okay little by little let's let the

1162
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:08,650
public know

1163
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:11,500
what's going on you know not all at once

1164
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:13,990
but just little by little this slow drip

1165
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:18,430
of information and you know dude I don't

1166
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:23,680
know no I do know that if that was true

1167
00:53:28,830 --> 00:53:26,740
that theory was true that yes the

1168
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:28,840
government and military has known and

1169
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:32,500
knows and and for some reason let we

1170
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:34,090
need to let the public in on some of

1171
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:37,270
this this is probably how they would do

1172
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:40,330
it little by little little every four or

1173
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:42,670
five months something drops because you

1174
00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:45,100
can't just dump decades if not centuries

1175
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,280
of information into the general public's

1176
00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:51,280
lap and say here you go you know it's

1177
00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:53,230
right it's like your body going into

1178
00:53:59,550 --> 00:53:55,870
shock when you enter cold water like how

1179
00:54:02,670 --> 00:53:59,560
would we continue with society if we

1180
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:02,680
knew that everything would change I mean

1181
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:06,160
religion science humanity history

1182
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:07,630
everything would change if they just

1183
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:09,660
boom here's everything you know

1184
00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:15,910
pandemonium in my opinion yeah only if

1185
00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:20,080
they're alien though if you know if if

1186
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:22,360
the end game of all of this what you

1187
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:26,770
want to call disclosure ends in alien or

1188
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:31,890
interdimensional then yeah um religion

1189
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:34,900
history books a lot of things are gonna

1190
00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:36,700
be seen differently are gonna be flipped

1191
00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:39,640
on their head a little bit I'm of the

1192
00:54:44,190 --> 00:54:41,860
opinion that modern where we are now

1193
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:44,200
most people are gonna go whoa that's

1194
00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:47,500
awesome you're right I think we don't

1195
00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:49,540
give humanity credit sometimes yeah

1196
00:54:54,810 --> 00:54:51,880
I don't think I think in the 90s if you

1197
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:54,820
watch a lot of sci-fi in the 90s the way

1198
00:55:01,200 --> 00:54:58,930
people people entertainers writers

1199
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:01,210
artists thought people would react you

1200
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,400
see pandemonium in the streets of New

1201
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:05,440
York like people running around and

1202
00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:08,950
losing their minds and I think now years

1203
00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:11,080
later I think most people would be seen

1204
00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:13,060
like oh sweet let me get an Instagram of

1205
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:17,980
this you know you know I think minds way

1206
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:19,810
of thinking has changed and honestly I

1207
00:55:25,529 --> 00:55:22,589
think that's the key

1208
00:55:29,669 --> 00:55:25,539
let's just pretend that I believe

1209
00:55:33,449 --> 00:55:29,679
wholeheartedly in such a thing as alien

1210
00:55:36,509 --> 00:55:33,459
UFOs Let Me Entertain that I think

1211
00:55:39,299 --> 00:55:36,519
beyond physical evidence being able to

1212
00:55:41,249 --> 00:55:39,309
look up in the sky and seeing let's say

1213
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,259
a saucer and then the government saying

1214
00:55:47,729 --> 00:55:44,079
yes Steve what you are indeed looking at

1215
00:55:50,339 --> 00:55:47,739
is an alien UFO from another galaxy on

1216
00:55:52,049 --> 00:55:50,349
top of that it's how my brain works

1217
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,059
because I think about how my brain

1218
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:55,119
worked when I saw my UFO and it was

1219
00:56:00,659 --> 00:55:58,089
Wonder and panic kind of like when

1220
00:56:03,869 --> 00:56:00,669
Elliot first meets et in the cornfield

1221
00:56:07,769 --> 00:56:03,879
that oh like that you know that's how it

1222
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:07,779
was but since then there it I don't I

1223
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:09,609
don't look back at that memory with

1224
00:56:14,009 --> 00:56:10,809
panic anymore

1225
00:56:15,809 --> 00:56:14,019
I look back with Wonder and something I

1226
00:56:17,369 --> 00:56:15,819
can't really put my finger on to be

1227
00:56:18,959 --> 00:56:17,379
honest with you it's a Nick Pope in the

1228
00:56:22,349 --> 00:56:18,969
episode I said something personal

1229
00:56:26,969 --> 00:56:22,359
something that feels personal but it's

1230
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:26,979
an emotional thought it's it's I don't

1231
00:56:32,009 --> 00:56:28,809
know I know there's people like Steve

1232
00:56:36,619 --> 00:56:32,019
Greer who talked about like the mind and

1233
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:36,629
emotional and spiritual connections and

1234
00:56:44,939 --> 00:56:41,049
if I'm just like spitballing here that's

1235
00:56:46,979 --> 00:56:44,949
something that needs to be refined for

1236
00:56:49,229 --> 00:56:46,989
that connection to really get happen

1237
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:49,239
that's a good point yeah there seems to

1238
00:56:55,739 --> 00:56:54,249
be this movement as of late of ce-5 I

1239
00:56:58,259 --> 00:56:55,749
guess they call it Close Encounters of

1240
00:57:02,369 --> 00:56:58,269
the fifth kind where humans using

1241
00:57:05,129 --> 00:57:02,379
whatever consciousness something to

1242
00:57:05,699 --> 00:57:05,139
initiate contact with these UFOs no

1243
00:57:08,729 --> 00:57:05,709
matter what they are

1244
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:08,739
interdimensional alien whatever military

1245
00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:11,529
um using the mind to try to communicate

1246
00:57:16,919 --> 00:57:13,719
with these things which is it's

1247
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:16,929
interesting um it's something I am just

1248
00:57:21,929 --> 00:57:20,169
learning about and looking at but yeah

1249
00:57:24,059 --> 00:57:21,939
maybe this does have a lot more to do

1250
00:57:26,999 --> 00:57:24,069
with us than it does anything out there

1251
00:57:28,889 --> 00:57:27,009
I don't know I mean right now it sounds

1252
00:57:31,619 --> 00:57:28,899
like you and I are writing the next

1253
00:57:33,809 --> 00:57:31,629
Spielberg movie I mean at the way we

1254
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:33,819
discuss it I mean in in a lot of ways

1255
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:36,220
it's still science fiction

1256
00:57:42,270 --> 00:57:39,700
there's little to no science fact behind

1257
00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:42,280
it and as such as a journalist a

1258
00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:45,160
documentary filmmaker I have to put that

1259
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:48,190
stuff on the back burner and say okay if

1260
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:52,090
and when if in when I'll be willing to

1261
00:57:55,710 --> 00:57:53,200
bring this back up

1262
00:57:57,330 --> 00:57:55,720
but until then like let's just focus on

1263
00:58:01,140 --> 00:57:57,340
what we know because that's the easiest

1264
00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:01,150
stuff to to digest and observe yeah yeah

1265
00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:02,590
that is a really good point man and I

1266
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:04,300
think that's what you're doing with the

1267
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:06,700
basement office so I you mentioned you

1268
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:08,710
SOS is there anything else you could

1269
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:10,840
tease to us about season two and what

1270
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:12,010
you're gonna be looking at anything

1271
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:16,050
you'd would be willing to share yeah

1272
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:22,930
let's see here hmm okay okay I won't

1273
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:24,630
tell you the topic this episode but we

1274
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:27,880
we tackle something that you that has no

1275
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:32,170
evidence really okay Matt and we talked

1276
00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:36,900
about it for 30 minutes in one episode

1277
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:39,220
when we talked about it from a like a

1278
00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:43,510
pop-culture point of view okay I'll give

1279
00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:46,830
you one clue of another episode budova

1280
00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:49,480
all right I'm gonna leave the audience

1281
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:52,270
with that yeah whoa I love it man I love

1282
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:54,700
it um well Steven where can we find

1283
00:58:59,760 --> 00:58:56,710
everything you're up to men when can we

1284
00:59:02,430 --> 00:58:59,770
expect basement office basement office

1285
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,440
right now is on hold during you know

1286
00:59:07,050 --> 00:59:05,920
quarantine and coronavirus lockdown for

1287
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:07,060
multitude of reasons

1288
00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:11,500
a I work in news and you know the news

1289
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:14,830
of the day right now is not you know us

1290
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:17,770
folks right now so that's one side the

1291
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:21,670
other side is you know we just kind of

1292
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:23,590
production-wise if if we're if we're

1293
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:25,090
working on one thing we can't obviously

1294
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:26,770
work on another so when this all dies

1295
00:59:31,830 --> 00:59:29,890
down so I'm not I don't want to over

1296
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:31,840
promise but I you know two three weeks

1297
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,400
from now I'm hoping up one slips out

1298
00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:36,160
there but be patient everyone it's

1299
00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:39,160
coming and it's awesome like I love it

1300
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:42,580
like season 2 is the bomb I just can't

1301
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:45,160
wait for you guys to see it for my stuff

1302
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:46,660
like my personal stuff that I work on

1303
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:48,910
you go to Steven green street calm

1304
00:59:52,969 --> 00:59:50,710
basically everything that I've worked on

1305
00:59:56,009 --> 00:59:52,979
including the basement office is there

1306
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,019
awesome and well I mean your passion and

1307
01:00:02,359 --> 00:59:58,960
excitement alone is what I think we need

1308
01:00:05,489 --> 01:00:02,369
in this topic it often lacks that

1309
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:05,499
because we don't have answers and we

1310
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:08,680
don't have that one case that's going to

1311
01:00:12,809 --> 01:00:10,690
break the whole thing open but I'm sure

1312
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:12,819
you could agree if one of these UFO

1313
01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:15,880
cases is authentic and as let's say

1314
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:19,180
alien um that's enough for us to rest on

1315
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:22,450
is that one case so dude I hope you keep

1316
01:00:28,829 --> 01:00:25,630
doing this it's invigorating it's

1317
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,839
exciting it keeps me going and yeah

1318
01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:30,400
thank you so much for joining me on